What Will You Learn on Trial Lawyer Prep?

In this episode, we are going to dive a little deeper into what this podcast is about and how it will serve you. 

As a solo practitioner, it can be difficult to actively talk to your audience while getting legal work done. Part of a lawyer’s work is to write extensively (think emails, letters, motions, briefs, etc). By the time you’re writing a marketing piece such as a blog for your website or a marketing email, you’re pretty well spent. Plus, the tone is a little different. 

I tried to hire folks to do copywriting but it never really sounded authentic to me or to the voice that I wanted. I started blogging which was great but, again, I was struggling with consistency. This went on until my friend, Ernie, suggested I start a podcast. 

Being someone who loves listening to podcasts, I thought podcasting would be a great platform to deliver short, digestible information and practical ethical tips to help you with case preparation. At the end of the day, my goal is to help you get connected with your client and jury by polishing up your skills for the courtroom. 

In this episode, you will hear:

  • Podcasting vs. blogging
  • What to expect from this podcast
  • The kinds of topics we will cover
  • Types of interviews and guests that will be in our future episodes

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Law Firm Autopilot with Ernie

Episode Transcript:

Hello, Elizabeth Larrick here, and welcome everyone to this episode of Trial Lawyer Prep.

This is a podcast for trial lawyers with a focus on difficult cases, problematic clients, and taking those difficult and problematic cases to trial. This episode, we are going to dive a little deeper into what this [00:01:00] podcast is about and how it will serve you. I wanted to start a podcast for a few years, but I never seemed to get the idea very clear about what I wanted to talk about or really what I wanted to do.

And things came into a little bit clearer picture for me when I talked with another attorney, Ernie, the attorney who runs law firm autopilot podcast. Ernie and I had a great discussion about the difficulty as a solo practitioner to actively talk to our audience, but also get legal work done. As lawyers, we write extensively in our work.

Think emails, letters, motions, briefs. By the time it comes down to writing a marketing piece or a blog for your website or marketing email, you’re pretty well spent. Plus the tone and the audience is a little different. And again, as a solo, I tried to hire folks to do copywriting, but it never really sounded authentic to me or to the voice that [00:02:00] I wanted.

So I started blogging, which was great, but again, I was having a difficult time being consistent. Then here comes Ernie. Why not do a podcast? Aha. Yes. Thank you, Ernie. For me, learning is second nature. If I’m not learning something, I feel like I’m behind and I personally love the podcast format for me. As far as listening, I really enjoy reading and attending webinars and seminars, but time wise I can find it hard to squeeze all those in.

So I gravitated towards podcasts when I drive for my daily commute, short, digestible, just enough information to be dangerous, but unlike a blog, I never was a blog reader. I never really. Got into that, mostly books is what I read. So podcasting seemed like a really natural fit for me. So I want to say a big thank you to Ernie for this great idea.

So I got my idea, but really wanted to understand why, why start this [00:03:00] podcast? This idea of. Spreading really applicable how to ideas to other lawyers who are struggling with difficult cases. And it just came back to me as a solo, what do I do to find out information? How do I solve a problem in a case that, you know, at the time we kind of get sucked into this like.

It’s psychosis of thinking we’re the only ones with this super unique problem. But generally somebody out there probably had this problem before, but how do we find that answer? And most of the time seminars are great, but they focus on kind of bigger projects or bigger ideas. Sometimes they only focus on the law, not really application.

So here is this podcast to help with applicable. Practice tips for cases, there are tools that I use, most of these tools are because I had to figure out a way to do them myself so that I could save money and couldn’t necessarily hire somebody, but it was also working up difficult cases, cases that other folks necessarily didn’t [00:04:00] take.

But I took. And so I really want to have applicable, hands on, how to conversations with other trial lawyers. And so that’s what we’re going to try and do in this podcast. Specifically, we’re going to be looking at tools for testimony, case strategy, focus groups, analyzing jurors, trial tactics. But I always want to mix in conversations with other trial lawyers who’ve actually used these methods in cases and saw success.

We always want to keep our goal in mind to be connected with your client and connected with the jury, but polishing up our skills for the courtroom. So what can you expect? In this podcast, we’ll be doing some episodes on individual tools to improve case preparation, thinking about how to use focus groups, different focus groups, styles, when to run focus groups, looking at our client.

How can we help them prepare better? How can we get them ready for mediation for trial? [00:05:00] Also just. The long term when it comes to dealing with clients in cases that generally stretch longer than we ever anticipate, especially now in our post COVID era, things are very delayed. Also how to on case strategy, developing a plan early.

How to implement that plan along the way. We’ll also have episodes with interviews from trial lawyers who prepared tough cases and had tough trials and how they’re using things and what worked for them, what didn’t work for them. The focus is always going to be to be behind the scenes, to see the way the sausage is made.

And also of course, being open to any questions and topics that You, the listener want to hear. We’ll also have episodes containing interviews with professionals that assist trial lawyers. And there’s a lot of professionals out there that really help trial lawyers in a variety of ways. And we’re not really talking about expert witnesses.

We’re really going to be talking about folks who have developed businesses to help [00:06:00] trial lawyers perform their best in the courtroom. These could be professionals who specialize in visuals. To visually communicate to the jury or the judge, or sometimes even that insurance adjuster. Professionals who specialize in speech and voice.

Again, to hone those communication skills for any kind of case event you may have. Not just trial, but mediation, even vital motions, or hearings are super important with how we communicate. But again, all the goal of our episodes to provide practical, applicable tips for case preparation. At this point, a rising tide lifts all boats.

We’re in this to get better. A part of what I do on a daily basis is serve my legal community, either through volunteering with trial or association or a teaching with Kennan Trial Institute, and that’s just what we want to do with this podcast is pass these things along to you and also bring any episodes to you that you want to hear from.

I appreciate you listening. Thanks again. As always, this is a bright and shiny new [00:07:00] show. So if you could subscribe on your favorite podcast app, Apple, Google, Spotify, or wherever you listen, write a five star rating, maybe review, leave me a question, or as always, share it with your lawyer friends who you know, who may be struggling with something specific or with better ways to prepare.

Thanks again.

Let’s Start the Journey – Introduction

What if you could hang out with trial lawyers and jury consultants, ask them about connecting with clients and juries more effectively, and then take strategies, tactics, and insights to increase your success? 

That’s what we do here each week on Trial Lawyer Prep. This is a podcast for trial lawyers with a focus on difficult cases, problematic clients, and taking those difficult and problematic cases to trial. Every episode is an in-depth look at how to regain touch with the everyday world, understand the emotional burden of your clients and juries, and use focus groups in this process. 

Our goal is to help you connect with juries and clients so you can improve your abilities in the courtroom. This podcast is going to be about preparing cases step-by-step while always keeping an eye on the jury trial. 

We will be giving you the tools, strategies, tips, and techniques in preparing cases to help you get in the trenches while also bringing the fun back to the practice of law and, more importantly, to help you sleep better at night. 

In this episode, you will hear:

  • About the podcast
  • About the podcast host – my journey through the practice of law

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Episode Transcript:

Hello, and welcome everyone to the first episode of Trial Lawyer Prep.

This is a podcast for trial lawyers with a focus on difficult cases, problematic clients, and taking those difficult and problematic cases to trial. I am Elizabeth Larrick. I run a law firm practice in a legal consulting business in [00:01:00] Austin, Texas. As we begin this podcast journey together, I wanted to do introduction of how I got here to this present point of podcasting about being a trial lawyer.

We all start somewhere and it’s the journey, not the destination that creates us into the person, the lawyer that we are. It’s great to read about a jury verdict, a fantastic result, but it’s the behind the scene facts and investigation and case building that I want to know about as a lawyer. And that’s really what this podcast is going to be about preparing cases, the step by step, but always keeping our eye on that final sprint of a case.

The jury trial. I went to law school with the goal of helping people navigate the legal system. Law school is mildly helpful at pointing in the direction of your career, but all in all, law school is. Mostly getting you to graduate, pass the bar, and then releasing you into the wild. Before law school, I knew I wanted to help.

I wanted to work with people and be in the courtroom. Law [00:02:00] school and internships guided me into three broad categories. Criminal law, civil, personal injury law, and civil family law. One of the most important parts was finding a job that would teach me to actually practice law. I graduated university at Oklahoma Law School and started the search.

I was very lucky to land my first job at a personal injury law firm representing only injured folks, plaintiffs. Within the year, I was able to help on a jury trial, and every year after, getting into the courtroom for one or two jury trials. I was learning a ton about the practice of law and the business side as well, thank you Mr.

McIntyre, but I felt a big tug in my heart to return to Texas, to get closer to family. So after three years, I packed up and headed to Austin, Texas. I landed in a small firm, but eventually again, felt that tug in my heart to go out on my own. Thus, Larrick Law Firm was born in 2015. Then shortly after [00:03:00] opening my own shop, I jumped into an amazing opportunity for hands on trial experience.

A fellowship opened up with Mr. Don Keenan and the Keenan Law Firm, where I could join in work up cases, and even join trials across the country. So for about a year, I juggled my law firm and also flying out every month to Florida or Georgia or whatever state we were going to be trying cases in to be a part of the Keenan Law Firm.

In my fellowship, I tried cases in Kentucky, Washington and Nevada, sometimes lasting even nearly three weeks long. Plus, during the trials, we would have case workshops where we work up cases, we would run focus groups, and all in all just build cases up to go to trial. This particular framework is what I took back to my law firm and I use today.

I finished my fellowship exhausted, but excited. I get back to Austin and I just start working at my cases and start [00:04:00] doing some focus groups with local lawyers here. As a solo keeping costs efficient was vital, but I really loved doing focus groups. And eventually that love showed through and other people started asking me to do their focus groups.

And so I really enjoyed doing that. Doing those and of course, still do those today. And we’ll talk a lot about that in the podcast and the jump for me to prepare clients for deposition or for trial. This was one of the biggest turning points for me in my work was finding a way to help clients prepare for deposition.

And I came upon a continuing legal education seminar for depositions. As a puppy lawyer, brand new lawyer, my role in the firm was to take clients to their deposition, make sure things went well. And they generally did, but I found a pretty big dissatisfaction in my clients after they finished. So back to the CLE seminar that I go in for depositions, because I want to learn to take depositions.

But along the [00:05:00] way, I was asked to come up on stage to role play. And I had to play a client instead of playing the lawyer. And it really opened my eyes to that feeling that they get to that panic, not knowing what to say, but yet all in all knowing that the person across the table is just basically trying to get you.

I walk away from the CLE seeing this huge problem, but also getting a template. I’m working the CLE particulars put in by Mr. Keenan. And I got to know Mr. Keenan, and he has a witness prep template that I use parts of, but also that I teach. He has a Keenan trial institute that I teach with every year, and actually am part of putting together the client prep for depositions.

So flashback to Puppy Lawyer, get this great template, start using it, and it’s a try try, try, try, and as I go along I’m seeing a little bit of success, but fell deeply in love with the process and saw how clients were [00:06:00] transformed into these really confident, authentic people that told their story and And left feeling good.

And that’s really what I wanted was to help people in this weird process of the civil legal system. That’s something I really gravitated towards and have fine tuned and fine tuned. And again, this is something that people have asked me to do for them because maybe it’s not something they really want to do.

Maybe something they don’t have time for, or maybe they have a particular problematic client. And that’s kind of where it just became a very natural fit for me, which then rolled into focus groups. Because I learned how to listen, I wanted this feedback, and to get out of the way, listen to what people are saying, and roll it into case preparation.

Long story short, a few years later, and here we are in this podcast, to talk about these tools, to talk about strategy and planning, lots of tips and techniques in preparing [00:07:00] cases that we want to help you with. So, I’ve spent my legal career as a plaintiff’s personal injury lawyer. I love what I do. I love helping folks when they’re at their lowest.

I love being their voice, but wow, this field can wear you down. It can frustrate you and mostly just exhaust you. It’s a huge roller coaster, highs, super high and low, super low. And there became points where I just really struggled with keeping up the law firm and having a lot of motivation and that’s really where I found these focus groups and helping people with deposition really brought me back up right on that roller coaster ride.

So for me, I want always to learn more about how to do my job better. I’m always looking for reading a book or seeing a seminar and these are great, but occasionally I just really want how to solve this problem. Uh, and as trial lawyers, we really want to prepare from the start. [00:08:00] going into that courtroom.

And naturally, most of our CLEs and continuing education doesn’t really focus on the super hard cases. We see the best of the best. And so what I want to do with this podcast is really get in the trenches and really work on how to bring fun back to the practice of law and more importantly to help you sleep better at night.

So I’m excited to start this podcast and I appreciate you joining me. As you know, this show is brand shiny new. This is episode number one and any and all support is greatly appreciated. If you haven’t already done so subscribe on your favorite podcast app, maybe Apple, Google, Spotify, wherever you listen, write a five star review, and if you could just share it with other lawyer friends and folks that you know, that may be struggling with the case.

Thanks so [00:09:00] much.

Welcome to Trial Lawyer Prep

What if you could hang out with trial lawyers and jury consultants, ask them about connecting with clients and juries more effectively; then take strategies, tactics, and insights to increase your success? That’s what we do each week on Trial Lawyer Prep. Hosted by Elizabeth Larrick – experienced trial lawyer, trial consultant, and founder of Larrick Law Firm PC in Austin, TX – every episode is an in-depth look at how to regain touch with the everyday world, understand the emotional burden of your clients and juries, and use focus groups in this process. The goal is to help you connect with juries and clients in order to improve your abilities in the courtroom.